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too good to be true?

Posted February 24, 2013 30k views
I have been using Dreamhost ($10/month) for over 8 years. Still with them. Ten days back I sign-ed up for Linode-512 and I am quite impressed. I don't mind paying 20 bucks a month for VPS --- 24GB disk and 1TB transfer meets my needs but I prefer 1GB of RAM. Then I heard about DigitalOcean and signed up for it yesterday to check them out. While not as polished as Linode --- which is to be expected --- I found it quite good. I could do a side-by-side comparison of running nginx, php-fpm, https etc and the 1 core of DigitalOcean was not limiting. I have the option of trying the 1GB and 2GB plans (2 cores), pay for what I use, and still pay the same or less than what I would pay for Linode. So, what is the problem? The problem is that it is too good to be true. DigitalOcean must be losing money at these prices and what happens when the seed money runs out say in 6 or 8 months? $1.25 per week wouldn't probably pay even the power bill. Lots of money will be required to expand beyond NY and Amsterdam. Linode would typically give free upgrades every June and if they upgrade the RAM to 1 GB and make backups free then it would make Linode look quite good. Linode has been around for 8 years, they may charge more but the probability of them being around a year or more from now is almost 100%. My worry is that if DigitalOcean folds without warning a year from now and doesn't give option to copy your data it would be a problem. So we have to have frequent backup outside of DigitalOcean to account for this. Linode is putting forty 512M nodes on a server. Is DigitalOcean putting 160 nodes? Babu
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jtittle1 March 12, 2013
@Babu,

The cost of hardware drops when your a power buyer and I would presume DigitalOcean is in a position to receive pretty decent discounts on hardware given their position in the market in just 24 months. Having seed money and financial backing just deepens the discounts and resource availability.

Any company with a large enough deployment and continuous purchases from a supplier is bound to get specialized pricing which converts to lower costs per physical server deployment.

While a rather broad example, if one server costs an everyday buyer $12,000 to build, DO may be in a position to build the same for $6-$8,000 which is a rather substantial reduction in costs, thus they're able to recover their investment quicker, even with lower costs per month to the end-user.

If you take the number of Droplets that are said to be deployed right now, and if that is a current production number, and you just take the base cost of $5 a month x Production, that's a rather hefty $500k+ per month. Of course, that discounts anyone use anything other than the $5 a month VPS's, so I would say that number of much higher.

Of course, I'm sure Moisey and the rest of the team isn't going to divulge exact numbers, but it's not too hard to see that they are indeed making money. As long as they keep up what they're doing now and as long as Mosiey sticks around, I think you'll see DO in operation 6 years from now, giving them the 8 year advantage as well :-).
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moisey February 24, 2013
We're going to be celebrating our two year anniversary this coming June so while we haven't been around for 8 years, we have been at this for a bit of time.

While I can't comment on the specifics of our business I can tell you that we are profitable and we are looking to provide the best service possible to our customers and also to continuously improve on the product.

Aside from that I would say sign up, use the product, and let us know how we can improve.

Thanks!
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babu.srinivasan February 24, 2013
Raiyu,
Thanks for the prompt reply. Glad to hear that you are profitable.
I am using the product, and as I have said, I am quite happy with it.
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jschuur February 24, 2013
I think you hint at the reason they can be cheaper: 1 core for the base package vs. 4 on Linode at 4x the price.

I'll admit, when I signed up last night, the core distinction wasn't entirely clear to me, but at the same time, I'm only looking at a small blog and a few Rails apps that I run for personal use right now. Even the $5 plan seems like it'll be fine for me, although I'll have to see the memory usage with both WordPress/php5-fpm and nginx/passenger running in 512 megs.

I would love to hear from Raiyu on whether only having a single core puts it at a significant disadvantage here.
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dave February 25, 2013
I did a benchmark comparison of the 2GB plan before leaving Linode for here. It was nearly exactly 30% slower with 2 cores compared to Linode's 4. At 1/4 the price simply adding a second machine puts you ahead.
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babu.srinivasan February 26, 2013
One issue came up when compiling on DO-512. The same compilation ran successfully on Linode. On DO, I got some cryptic error at link time.

I then created a snapshot, a 1GB droplet with that snapshot --- this is one of the cool things about DigitalOcean, pay for use, experiment etc. This is like a hybrid between Linode and EC2. The compilation succeeded. However, I was wondering why it worked on Linode with same memory. Then I realized that when I setup Linode I was given an option to choose a swap partition. On DO, there was no option. So I fired up the DO-512 and followed the instructions (dd etc) to create 512 MB swap and then I was able to compile.

Things that will be nice to have:
1) Provide for a default swap (same size as the memory) at droplet creation.
2) resize without losing the assigned IP address.
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moisey February 26, 2013
Resize between hypervisors has been a bit problematic and we've been making a lot of code updates to improve it and it would migrate the VM between hypervisors preserving the IPs.

We don't provide SWAP by default but we do have articles in our community on how to set it up, that was just a choice we made in favor of simplicity. But we can always revisit it if customer demand is high and get one setup off of a harddrive swap file.

In regards to the cores - it was just a decision based on pricing and resource allocation.
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c0smicalninja March 1, 2013
Swap can be easily created if you're a sysadmin. And in my view, digitalocean's servers are much faster than anyone else. The hard drives are faster than my dedicated server. The servers are quite cheap as well. Good job.
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moisey March 2, 2013
We also have a couple of articles in our community section that detail how to create and activate a swap file in both Ubuntu and CentOS.
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babu.srinivasan March 12, 2013
@Jonathan

I understand the economies of scale.
I will take Moisey at his word that they are profitable.

I guess that this business generally provides low margins and so you need huge scale. This volume purchasing power applies even more to larger more established players like Linode, Rackspace with longer track record of making payments --- assuming servers are purchased on credit. If DO is profitable at their current pricing structure then it means that Rackspace, Linode are enjoying much better margins. If DO grows at current rate then it will push Linode, Rackspace etc to lower their margins. I think we are already seeing that with Linode's announcement of linode-nextgen --- here there are not reducing their prices but 'providing more' by spending a million dollars to completely upgrading their network to as they say "deal with our scale; greatly improve throughput;decrease latency; and add redundancy at access/host layer". Linode has also increased the outgoing bandwidth limits by 10X --- instead of 200GB for their $20/month plan, you get 2TB, which is more in line with many VPS vendors.

Getting back to scale, DO needs to open at least 2 more locations --- Asia (Singapore or Japan) and West Coast of US --- and this will require significant expenditure for leasing building, payroll etc. Also this may not result in lot of new customers but existing customers will migrate to a closer location.

Finally, I think there is room for all these players to thrive and customers like us can get the best possible price and performance.
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